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    NCSM30482

    Quillback
    Carpiodes cyprinus
    Specimen Details

    Verbatim Donor Data

    Donor Family: None
    Donor Genus: Carpiodes
    Donor Species: cyprinus
    Donor Hybrid Species: None
    Donor Subspecies: None
    Donor Num Specimens: 7
    Donor Preparation: None
    Donor Collector: None
    Donor Determiner: None
    Donor Specimen Notes: None
    Donor Collected Date: June/30/1977
    Donor Field Number: None
    Donor Drainage: Matagorda Bay Basin
    Donor Country: United States
    Donor State: Texas
    Donor County: Llano
    Donor Locality: SUBBASIN1Colorado R. (TX)SUBBASIN2Llano R.SUBBASIN3,Llano River by TX 29, about 5.0 air miles E of Llano at creek mouth (Little Sandy Creek?)
    Donor Collecting Event Remarks: None
    Donor Latitude: None
    Donor Longitude: None
    Donor Latitude DMS: None
    Donor Longitude DMS: None
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    Collecting Event

    Collected: June 30, 1977
    Collecting Event ID: 5657
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    Determination

    Taxon: Carpiodes cyprinus
    Determiner: Agent object
    Staff Notes:
    The following is a comment from Wayne Starnes from e-mail 11/20/2009; \"two small adults (~~330 TL)and 5 juveniles ranging in size from 38 - 102 mm TL; two adults are shaped more like redhorses than carpsuckers (which reminded me of the \"forbesi\" form reported from the prairie regions to the north); very elongate and terete; adults have absolutely no semblance of a lip nipple and have 29 D rays (above supposed range of carpio based on lit I have); LL scale counts are on the borderline (between cyprinus/carpio) at 36/37. The juvs, on the other hand, are much more typical in shape, much deeper bodied, etc. No nipples on them, either, but then I don\'t have a clear idea of when this character develops. Dorsal rays vary widely. Oddly the two largest juvs (63 & 102 TL) have 28 rays, probably corresponding to the adults. However the smallest three (38-55 TL) are quite low at 21-24). So, it\'s all quite puzzling; maybe two spp involved?. Based on the adults, I\'ve been hard pressed to call them anything other than cyprinus based on balance of the evidence (I don\'t think D rays were probably examined on the smaller juvs when id\'d back in \'03). So, if TX \"carpio\" are shaped like cigars, have no lip nipples, and higher than normal D ray counts, then I guess you can call them that. The smaller ones at least do fall into the range of carpio meristically, the nipple question not withstanding. However, in the absence of a definitive genetic study, I\'d have trouble accepting that for at least the adults.\" Also check e-mail from Hank Bart on 11/21/2009.
    Specimen examined and identified.
    medium
    Point is placed on Llano River at Little Sandy Creek and extent covers area along SH 29.
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    Suspect Notes: None
    Number of Occurrence Records: 7

    Locality

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    Ecoregion: Ecoregion object
    HUC Subbasin: Llano
    HUC Subwatershed Name: Wrights Creek-Llano Creek
    HUC 12 Code: 120902040802
    Jurisdiction: Llano, Texas
    Description: Llano River at Little Sandy Creek
    Latitude/Longitude: 30.77255 N, -98.58745 W
    Error: 3754.6 m

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